different spamassassin behaviours

Dino Edwards dino.edwards at mydirectmail.net
Tue Jun 27 13:59:37 CEST 2017

Can you provide the x-spam-status headers for the same email when run through Postfix normally and then manually so we can see the differences?

Also, I'm a little confused, what do you mean when you say " All the files are taken from /sonicle/etc/mail/spamassassin and /sonicle/share/spamassassin"?

Also, in your mail log, do you say a lines similar to below? The first one is Amavis passing the message as CLEAN and then re-injecting it back to Postfix on port 10025 for delivery. Your port config may vary.

Jun 27 07:55:32 smtp amavis[22662]: (22662-15) Passed CLEAN  []:12141 [] <noreply at visaprepaidprocessing.com> -> <someone at domaintld>, Queue-ID: D19FC40B0A, Message-ID: <d5360d$6ue5tu at cportal1.visa.com>, mail_id: X1sVYvfQoUFh, Hits: -0.877, size: 2490, queued_as: 250 2.6.0 Message received, dkim_sd=cportal:visaprepaidprocessing.com, 1280 ms

Jun 27 07:55:32 smtp postfix/smtp[22949]: D19FC40B0A: to=<someone at domain.tld>, relay=[]:10021, delay=2.6, delays=1.3/0/0/1.3, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 from MTA(smtp:[]:10025): 250 2.6.0 Message received)

From: Gabriele Bulfon [mailto:gbulfon at sonicle.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:35 AM
To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwards at mydirectmail.net>; amavis-users at amavis.org
Subject: RE: different spamassassin behaviours

Hi, thanks for your response.

There are a lot of things rising the score manually:
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=18.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,CUSTOM_MANY_BL,
autolearn=spam autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1

All the files are taken from /sonicle/etc/mail/spamassassin and /sonicle/share/spamassassin, and they looks to be read both manually and during postfix run, as many of the mails are caught and contains X-Spam-Status with tags taken from there (sare cf files, kam file, fili_br file etc).
Also, many of the auto-learnt mails get spammed after being trained.
The bayes is configured as :

use_bayes 1
bayes_auto_learn 1
bayes_path /sonicle/var/spamassassin/bayes_db/bayes
bayes_file_mode 0777

and here are the files:

sonicle at www:~$ ls -l /sonicle/var/spamassassin/bayes_db
total 12699
-rw-rw-rw- 1 snclamav snclamav 25680 Jun 27 08:28 bayes_journal
-rw-rw-rw- 1 snclamav snclamav 10567680 Jun 27 07:58 bayes_seen
-rw-rw-rw- 1 snclamav snclamav 5128192 Jun 27 07:58 bayes_toks

here are the amavis processes:

sonicle at www:~$ ps -ef | grep amavisd
snclamav 23517 20393 0 07:43:58 ? 0:04 /sonicle/bin/perl -T /sonicle/sbin/amavisd -u snclamav -c /sonicle/etc/amavis/a...
snclamav 20393 6278 0 May 12 ? 0:49 /sonicle/bin/perl -T /sonicle/sbin/amavisd -u snclamav -c /sonicle/etc/amavis/a...
snclamav 29614 20393 0 08:28:49 ? 0:00 /sonicle/bin/perl -T /sonicle/sbin/amavisd -u snclamav -c /sonicle/etc/amavis/a...

is there any way I can run amavisd manually exactly as postfix would do during an incoming email?
I bet I need debugging output, but enabling it live may fill my mail logs, and I would have to wait for some spam to get in.

Thanks again,

Sonicle S.r.l. : http://www.sonicle.com
Music: http://www.gabrielebulfon.com
Quantum Mechanics : http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon


Da: Dino Edwards <dino.edwards at mydirectmail.net>
A: amavis-users at amavis.org
Data: 26 giugno 2017 19.08.11 CEST
Oggetto: RE: different spamassassin behaviours

Do you know for a fact that the bayes database is making those scores get higher when you run it in debug? If so, where is your bayes database stored and who is the owner of that path? Do you know for a fact that Amavis calls Spamassassin to scan emails?

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From: amavis-users [mailto:amavis-users-bounces+dino.edwards=mydirectmail.net at amavis.org] On Behalf Of Gabriele Bulfon
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: amavis-users at amavis.org
Subject: different spamassassin behaviours

I have some installation of amavis+postfix, where I discovered that some spam is coming in with a very low score, but if I run spamassassin in debug mode on the same emails they get a very high score.

On my installations, amavisd runs under the "snclamav" user, while the smtp-amavis postfix daemons run under the "snclmail" user.
I run the bayes learn using the snclamav user, and also run spamassassin debug mode using the same user, that stores the bayes database in a specific path.

Any idea what may happen in amavisd spawn spamassassin that does not happen in manual debug mode?

Thanks for any help

Sonicle S.r.l. : http://www.sonicle.com
Music: http://www.gabrielebulfon.com
Quantum Mechanics : http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon

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