pilot error? or idiots at microsoft?
aeverett at forteds.com
Fri Aug 12 13:42:38 CEST 2011
Your "random cafe" IP would be translated to a public IP before it ever got
to you, so I fail to see your point. I see no reason why all private blocks,
including link-local addresses can't be whitelisted to relay. If you're
seeing private ranges from external sources, you have bigger problems than
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Jo Rhett <jrhett at netconsonance.com> wrote:
> Um, NO! Sorry, Mark -- you are definitely on the wrong track here.
> If I get on a random cafe's wireless network, the local hosts might be in
> 192.168.1.0/24. Should I allow them to relay mail? Should I allow their
> outbound mail to bypass spam check? Absolutely not, I'm sure you would
> So why then would I allow random users on 169? This could be the exact
> same cafe network after the DHCP server has failed. They meet the same
> criteria as the above -- unknown and untrusted.
> Obviously someone might want to enable those addresses as trusted, just
> like I have 192.168.155.0/24 trusted in my network... but it definitely
> shouldn't be there by default!
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Mark Martinec wrote:
> > On Wednesday August 10 2011 16:40:26 Michael Scheidell wrote:
> >> So, we open a bugzilla and put 169.254* addresses into 'local_networks'
> >> by default? like rfc1918?
> >> it the example, sa sees the internal (trusted) 172* ip, and sees 'first
> >> untrusted' (the 169* address!)
> >> spf fails, rbls are consulted. all could be avoided if ms actually
> >> followed RFC's
> >> <http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/gg314976.aspx>
> > The 169.254.0.0/16 should be treated just like 127.0.0.0/8,
> > ::1/128, and 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 192.168.0.0/16.
> > It is a private address (link-local vs. host-local vs site-local).
> > As such it should be included in internal_networks, trusted_networks,
> > and @mynetworks in amavisd.conf.
> > Just as there is nothing wrong with seeing 127.0.0.1 in a
> > received trace, there is nothing wrong with seeing 169.254.x.x
> > there.
> > Mark
> Jo Rhett
> Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and
> other randomness
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